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Comment by Ron Dumeah on September 28, 2011 at 8:30pm

Well seems I should have started here lol.

 

Comment by Jan Carter on September 26, 2011 at 6:15pm

That is why older stag has such a mellow and rich color to it.  My safe queens have done the same thing Shlomo

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on September 25, 2011 at 1:33am

Stag, antler will overtime darken (yellow) just like ivory does just from the pollutants in the air.

I have walrus, Narwhal and elephant handled knifes that after fifty, sixty years of being safe queens (due to CITES restriction) are now a lovely deep, golden yellow...They were seldom handled except for the yearly oiling and polish.

Comment by Jan Carter on September 24, 2011 at 3:02pm

Generally if cattle bone is used, scored and burned it will be called burnt stag.  As Shlomo mentioned a reputable company will use that term or another variable of it to disclose that it is not a "genuine" stag item.   

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Comment by Tobias Gibson on September 24, 2011 at 1:40pm

I asked Steve Koontz of SMKW and he answered this in the Knives Live show.  He confirmed thatr Case has been using the same type of stag probably from the beginning. 

 

I know laws have changed on how it can be harvested but beyond that Stag (or Antler comes from either Sambar (Rusa unicolor) and or the India Red Deer (Cervus elaphus)  These deer  are used because they produce a heck of a lot antler material  Sambar Deer are raised in Florida.  There has always been debate on the quality of farmed raised stag vs. wild stag.  In reality, the quality of the stag may vary from one year to the next based more on the diet and health of the deer as opposed to the farm raised or wild.

Steve mentioned that unused stag will mellow over the years but not actually darken.   That siad, I assume that if the stag is used and handled a lot, the oil from your hands and other elements may affect its color.

 

Finally, the dyes used to color stag have also changed over the years due to economics and legislation.  For instance the dye used to make black was recently changed due to legislation and making  red dye has also changed many times due to cost and legislation.

 

As for second cut stag, this is stag cut from the interior area of the antler and then jigged to resemble the outside.  It is normally considered inferior to first cut stag.

As mentioned, originally cattle bone was jigged and burned to resemble stag when the price went sky-high or stag was short. 

 

While Stag bone is still sometimes produced, bone has come into its own and is often left smooth or jigged in countless patterns.  While less expensive than stag, there are some collectors who prefer bone.

 

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on September 24, 2011 at 9:32am

Kent,

Sambar Stag (if real) is the antler of a Sambar deer that comes from India and only from that Region of the world...Although there are wild game parks all over the world that offer them as a hunting option and are legitimate in calling them Sambar stag horns even if they came from Texas.

I have (genuine) Sambar that goes from pure white to almost black...I also have stag that started off whitish and ended up very dark due to lots of use--dirt, sweat, blood.

Colour variances are due to several factors--the size of the antler to begin with, where on the stalk the slab was cut from, the region that the animal lived in (climatic variables), what they had been feeding on and of course genetic (DNA) mutations within and between the herd(s).

Most of the stag comes from farms that raise the animals in pens and collect the drops, the shed antlers, and dry them out for a couple of years before offering them for sale.

Lots of companies take bones--cattle and swine, score them with routers, colour them (usually with a blow torch) and you have jigged bone that is supposed to look (and does) like Sambar stag...Reputable companies will tell you so.

Comment by KENT GABLE on September 23, 2011 at 1:15pm

One thing I've wondered about is stag handles and the variety of stag being used in past & present? For example, Case XX stag handles from the 60's & '70's vary greatly in appearance from what I see being marketed today. They have a rich honey color and often deep dark indentations. No doubt a different variety is being used today?

What is Sambar stag or the India stag used on some Canal Street and other knives? Can anyone shed some light on the varieties of stag or what to look for from a collector's perspective.

Comment by Shlomo ben Maved on September 22, 2011 at 8:48pm

Comment by Joe Burgess 

I'm considering Case pocket knives for collecting and using. It seems that Case knives are available in lots of places. Does more knives in more places mean anything negative toward Case? Or should I just be happy they are easy to find?

 Check out this site on this forum -- Case Fans

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There are many Case knives out there because Case made a lot of knives over a Hell of a lot of years (100+)…Take fifty basic knife styles and offer them in twenty different knife handle materials or colours and you do the math—one thousand different knives…Now toss in commemoratives and anniversary issues of just their own let alone all the states and companies—John Deere, Remington etc. and you see the numbers continue to escalate and then you add different blade materials like Damascus and the numbers skyrocket..

 

This means for a budding collector lots of excellent choices to start with and for little money—A friend just bought a dozen Trapper Knives in twelve different handle materials/colours and paid $150 for the lot ($12.50 a knife)…The seller had a set of Muskrat and Stockman and Canoe in basically the same set ups for around the same amount of money—I believe it totalled fifty knives for $500 and most were in their original boxes…I have one friend who only collects Case knives in the tin cans, preferably Cars or trucks, but he’s not that particular as long as it tin.

 

I only have a few Case knives—In them I only collect Sambar Stag and prefer Stockman, Congress, Muskrat, Trapper and Canoe models in all sizes otherwise I’d have to devote too much time, effort and money for a knife company that I can do without as I’m interested in fixed blades far more then folders B U T every collector has to have some in their collection.

 

The drawback to having thousands of different models out there is that counterfeiting is rampant so you had better know your stuff before ordering anything on-line…I’d say stay with knife shows or gun shows for the first little while until you develop an understanding of the different knives…Also join the various Case Knife Collectors groups out there and buy your first knives from them…I have never been to a show, outdoors, gun or knife where there wasn’t at least one Case collection on display and IIRC there were five at one show I attended in Arizona.

 

There are a number of books on Case Knives, get them and use them as reference material for what you want to collect within the Case line up…You can’t collect them all—some are astronomically priced and there are just far too, too many of them—I heard 4,500 models over the years but have no way—nor does Case for that matter—of verifying if that’s correct or not…I really think it’s low, by quite a bit.

 

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All About Pocket Knives - Identifying the Age of a Case Knife

 

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Comment by Tobias Gibson on September 22, 2011 at 7:54pm

Joe, Case Knives are probably the most collected USA knife out there.  There will probably always be a market for them.  Will they always go up in value?  Maybe/maybe not.  If you like them collect them.    You'll soon find they aren't all easy to find.  You'll also son see that some of them have a price that seems totally unreasonable for you get.  Others will seem like a great value.

Comment by Joe Burgess on September 22, 2011 at 7:13pm

I'm considering Case pocket knives for collecting and using. It seems that Case knives are available in lots of places. Does more knives in more places mean anything negative toward Case? Or should I just be happy they are easy to find?

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