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Permalink Reply by jeff on August 16, 2014 at 13:08

lol..clips? in a revolver? lol

Permalink Reply by Steve Hanner on August 16, 2014 at 13:29

Go figure... another epic fail! If it be me I think I'd mark that one down in price just a bit!

Permalink Reply by Tobias Gibson on August 16, 2014 at 14:20

Of course there was an "automatic revolver" but it didn't use a clip.  The Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver played a small but pivotal role in one of my favorite movies -- The Maltese Falcon.

Sam Spade's partner Miles Archer was shot to death by Thursby.   And as Sam Spade states:

When a man's partner is killed, he's supposed to do something about it. It doesn't make any difference what you thought of him. He was your partner and you're supposed to do something about it. And it happens we're in the detective business. Well, when one of your organization gets killed, it's-it's bad business to let the killer get away with it, bad all around, bad for every detective everywhere.

Permalink Reply by jeff on August 16, 2014 at 14:29

the gatlin was an auto/revolver.. little hard to carry tho .. ;)  tho they do or did make an attachment to hand crank a revolver. never saw much point in it tho.

Permalink Reply by Billy Oneale on August 16, 2014 at 15:14

Good way to reload water in a water fight.I guess that was someone's great idea anyway.

Permalink Reply by Tobias Gibson on August 16, 2014 at 16:22

Actually the Gatlin was not an auto revolver.  It was a hand cranked repeating firearm.  While it did eject and reload the it required a man turning a handle to make this happen.  The Webley-Fosbery was actually semi-automatic as are most pistols that are called "automatics."  The W-F would rotate the cylinder of the revolver by  a blow-back operation.  True automatics and semi automatics use some type of recoil energy of the expended round to prepare the weapon top fire again. The Gatlin, like single and double action revolvers lack this ability. They require a manual cocking in order to reload and refire the weapon.

The line gets a little blurry when you look at the modern Gatlin which are fired through an electronic motor.  Again, many do not consider these a true "automatic" in that an outside source of power is required to rotate the barrel and fire the weapon as opposed to the actions of the weapon itself completing the task through some type of recoil energy created by firing the weapon.

Permalink Reply by jeff on August 16, 2014 at 16:49

true.. it takes alot more to rotate a cylinder thru back pressure, or blow back, than to slide a chamber back and forth. who was it invented the cartridge ejector? was it colt? or henry?  i dont know.

FeaturedPermalink Reply by Charles Sample on August 16, 2014 at 17:43

The Henry ejected the empty casings by working the lever beginning in 1860.  Colt didn't have  a cartridge revolver until I believe about 1870, the open top.  Of course they had the Single Action Army or Peacemaker in 1873.  I don't remember offhand when but S&W break open revolvers would eject the empties by spring action when opened.

Permalink Reply by Tobias Gibson on August 16, 2014 at 20:59

The metallic cartridge dates to around 1836, France.   A man named Casimir Lefaucheux invented a self contained cartridge with metal primer,cardboard tube and lead bullet. Benjamin Houllier, another French man made the firstentirely metallic cartridge of copper brass in 1846.   the M1858 Lefaucheux pistolet-revolver  was the first metallic-cartridge revolver to be used by a national government (French Navy).  The were the first metalic cartridge firing pistols in the USA/CSA as both side bought numbers of the revolvers during the  War Between the States.

The cartridge ejection method of this French pistol was practically stolen by Colt.  The M1858 Lefaucheux used a pin fire cartridge.

FeaturedPermalink Reply by Charles Sample on August 16, 2014 at 21:50

Great history Tobias.  I had forgotten about the Lefaucheux.

Permalink Reply by Michelle "Fingers" DellaPelle on August 16, 2014 at 21:53

oh wow... That Lefaucheux!!

Tobias Gibson said:

Of course there was an "automatic revolver" but it didn't use a clip.  The Webley-Fosbery Automatic Revolver played a small but pivotal role in one of my favorite movies -- The Maltese Falcon.

Sam Spade's partner Miles Archer was shot to death by Thursby.   And as Sam Spade states:

When a man's partner is killed, he's supposed to do something about it. It doesn't make any difference what you thought of him. He was your partner and you're supposed to do something about it. And it happens we're in the detective business. Well, when one of your organization gets killed, it's-it's bad business to let the killer get away with it, bad all around, bad for every detective everywhere.

KnifeMakerPermalink Reply by Chris Sievert on August 17, 2014 at 12:56

The clips... but they are replaceable water reservoirs which is kind of a cool idea.... I always hated to have to refill the pistol at the spigot when it was empty always got soaked by my brothers......

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